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CarbonBased820

To be honest I'm glad I'll be without the G amp for a little bit - I dont think I would have ever really put the machine through its paces properly if I had the Ti to lean on, lol.

First impressions were pretty good, although the i5 is just dreadful in Lightroom. I'll probably only hang on to the 13 until a 14 or 17 is released following the same ethos as the 13. Its a shame though, if they had been able to shoehorn a true i7 quad in here, it would be quite literally perfect to me. Just the right amount of garish lighting to satisfy my fanboy, and slim, light, sturdy, EXPANDABLE and powerful enough to dethrone the defacto rMBP as my laptop of choice. Right now its an also ran due to not having a built in SD card.

I would have taken an 840m or even *gasp* Iris in here if it meant this chassis could carry a quad. The screen is small enough to make 720p gaming acceptable and either Iris Pro or 840/850 would have excelled there.

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atreis said:

Same here.  Sometimes you just have to be patient.  Since AMD released a driver, I wouldn't think it would be long though - could mean lost sales for Nvidia otherwise.

Well to be quite honest Nvidia already has a stranglehold on the discrete graphics card market, owning the majority of it. I don't know how much of a priority the Amplifier would be to them at this point. AMD has the console market cornered between the PS4, Xbox One and Wii U and it was recently leaked they are providing the power behind another console release in 2016 I believe. Presumably Nintendo's successor to the Wii U. That more than anything else is what has allowed AMD to stay alive. 

Yeah, well, you know that's just like, ugh, your opinion man.

Game7a1

CarbonBased820 said:

To be honest I'm glad I'll be without the G amp for a little bit - I dont think I would have ever really put the machine through its paces properly if I had the Ti to lean on, lol.

First impressions were pretty good, although the i5 is just dreadful in Lightroom. I'll probably only hang on to the 13 until a 14 or 17 is released following the same ethos as the 13. Its a shame though, if they had been able to shoehorn a true i7 quad in here, it would be quite literally perfect to me. Just the right amount of garish lighting to satisfy my fanboy, and slim, light, sturdy, EXPANDABLE and powerful enough to dethrone the defacto rMBP as my laptop of choice. Right now its an also ran due to not having a built in SD card.

I would have taken an 840m or even *gasp* Iris in here if it meant this chassis could carry a quad. The screen is small enough to make 720p gaming acceptable and either Iris Pro or 840/850 would have excelled there.

You might want to look at the MSI GS30 Shadow if you don't like the 13.

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CarbonBased820

I dont want to go as far as saying I dont LIKE the laptop. In comparison to the MSI, Id prefer to not have that monstrosity sitting on top of my desk all the time. With the AW13, I can set the AMP under the desk, and have my Monitor, Mouse/KB etc connected to it while it sits under my desk. I prefer the keyboard of the AWs to that of the MSI's and as the previous owner of an 18x R1 and a recently sold 2013 17, I am pretty firmly entrached in the AW camp. The logistical support for Dell/AW is light years ahead of Clevo, Sager, Razer, MSI, etc. 

The MSI has the quad core and the SD card, but MSIs are plagued with flimsy builds, mushy keyboards and light leaking from pretty much EVERYWHERE. I know buy now that AW itsnt the best vuy when it comes to internals, but the overall package from performance to appearance to support I prefer them over the competition. I just think they dropped the ball with the lack of an SD card slot and no quadcore in a device that is CLEARLY thick enough to handle the TDP. That MSI does it just further illustrates what the AW13 COULD be. The more I think about it, the processor in this laptop isnt that much faster than a Surface Pro. Obviously you can run this with turboboost for longer but really, the SP2 shipped with a 4300u and 8GB of ram. This thing should have the 4702mq.

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Game7a1

CarbonBased820 said:

I dont want to go as far as saying I dont LIKE the laptop. In comparison to the MSI, Id prefer to not have that monstrosity sitting on top of my desk all the time. With the AW13, I can set the AMP under the desk, and have my Monitor, Mouse/KB etc connected to it while it sits under my desk. I prefer the keyboard of the AWs to that of the MSI's and as the previous owner of an 18x R1 and a recently sold 2013 17, I am pretty firmly entrached in the AW camp. The logistical support for Dell/AW is light years ahead of Clevo, Sager, Razer, MSI, etc. 

The MSI has the quad core and the SD card, but MSIs are plagued with flimsy builds, mushy keyboards and light leaking from pretty much EVERYWHERE. I know buy now that AW itsnt the best vuy when it comes to internals, but the overall package from performance to appearance to support I prefer them over the competition. I just think they dropped the ball with the lack of an SD card slot and no quadcore in a device that is CLEARLY thick enough to handle the TDP. That MSI does it just further illustrates what the AW13 COULD be. The more I think about it, the processor in this laptop isnt that much faster than a Surface Pro. Obviously you can run this with turboboost for longer but really, the SP2 shipped with a 4300u and 8GB of ram. This thing should have the 4702mq.

Should and can are two different things. Just because something should be a possibility doesn't mean it can be a possibility. Note that I am more for lifespan than power, buyt that doesn;t mean I would sacrifice too much power to not game well. 

In short, the thermal design of the laptop wouldn't effectively cool the processor as much as Alienware wants (its size is comparable to the Aorus X3+ if you want to compare it to something). Maybe in two revisions later we'll see a quad mobile, but as for Broadwell and Haswell, there'll only be ULV. Sure you can fit a quad mobile in there, but will it cool under 80 C? I don't think so.

-- Game7a1 said:

The 13 does happen to be smaller than the Clevo laptop (2.79cm vs 3.2 centimeters in height); if we were to imagine them both being rectangular prisms (they have height, depth, and width, so it's a good approximating approach), both have a volume of 2150.532 cm cubed and 2397.12 cm cubed, respectively, and a surface area of 1855.754 cm2 and 1854.68 cm2, so that could be the reason. The 13 has more surface area (not by much), but its volume and height are shorter by a good bit. 
The Clevo ships with a 120w charger, so we know it can't be due to power consumption. It would be logical to assume the 13 cannot handle a full-voltage Broadwell or Haswell CPU due to its size. Then again, the dual fan layout would ensure a cooler laptop. 

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Add onto the fact that the thin 14" laptops have thermal problems (and CNET does indirectly reflect this in their Alpha review with the Blade), and what is reasonable is a ULV CPU as the processor of choice.

 

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CarbonBased820

Ah but thats why I suggest the 4702 over the 4700 or 4710. 4702 is only 37w vs the 47w of the 4710. I'm thing if the Aorus can shoehorn a 4710 AND an 870m in such a small FF (and a card reader, lol), than I don't believe Alienware couldn't achieve a solid temperature in this chassis with a CPU/GPU combo that is less power hungry than that.

I would love to at least see it as a possibility. I know at this point its too late, as it doesnt make sense for them to have two different mobo's for the 13, but I wouldnt be surprised if generation two of the 13 goes quadcore, especially is its based on Broadwell. Till then the 13 will suffice, but if doing more than gaming on it (ie handling RAWs in lightroom) the 4210 just can't cut the mustard. Even with gaming, I haven't purchased Far Cry 4 yet, but I'm anxious to see the 13 running FC4 with and without the Amplifier.  That game won't even run on some dual cores - if we're truly (finally) headed to a 3-4 core gaming future, the 13 as currently specced will be obsolete in 6 months.

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Game7a1

CarbonBased820 said:

Ah but thats why I suggest the 4702 over the 4700 or 4710. 4702 is only 37w vs the 47w of the 4710. I'm thing if the Aorus can shoehorn a 4710 AND an 870m in such a small FF (and a card reader, lol), than I don't believe Alienware couldn't achieve a solid temperature in this chassis with a CPU/GPU combo that is less power hungry than that.

I would love to at least see it as a possibility. I know at this point its too late, as it doesnt make sense for them to have two different mobo's for the 13, but I wouldnt be surprised if generation two of the 13 goes quadcore, especially is its based on Broadwell. Till then the 13 will suffice, but if doing more than gaming on it (ie handling RAWs in lightroom) the 4210 just can't cut the mustard. Even with gaming, I haven't purchased Far Cry 4 yet, but I'm anxious to see the 13 running FC4 with and without the Amplifier.  That game won't even run on some dual cores - if we're truly (finally) headed to a 3-4 core gaming future, the 13 as currently specced will be obsolete in 6 months.

The FC4 won't run on straight up dual cores, but dual cores with hyper threading will work with the game.  So you won't have to worry about that. The 13 will be fine... well, the R2 at least.

As of now, we'll have to wait for these laptops to be updated with the 900m series  before any better conclusion can be made (the Blade 14, while thinner, does use a 37w quad mobile, so why Aorus chose a full volt mobile is odd).

As for the SD card reader, it will be missed. This could be due to the speakers being on the side this time and the battery taking up too much space (it's under the touchpad I think, which is near the speakers).

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CarbonBased820

I hadnt even though about the speaker placement- hadnt thought about that. But I'd give my left arm to have a SD slot on this thing, even if its in the back, so I dodnt have to add a finicky external reader to my bag - its one more failure point to worry about when shooting in the field. But long story short - I do highly enjoy the laptop as it is, and I think as I learn to live with the "shortcomings" I'll like it more as time goes on. But as soon as the new 14/15 comes out - Im probably all over it, lol.

 

Now that Ive spent some time putzing around with a few games on the 860m, its really a good performer, I'm pleasantly surprised with how smoothly games are running, although Im stepping things down to 1600x900 (I bought the mid-range model with 16GB and 1080p screen) to make sure the framerates stay high.

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VincentLoh89

I have a really insane proposal! Lets have this amplified on Alienware 18 with NVIDIA SLI! That odd to be the most powerful laptop ever made on planet earth! 

xer0h0ur

Actually SLI scaling is not good past two video cards. It would be a little bit better if it worked but not nearly worth the money. 

Yeah, well, you know that's just like, ugh, your opinion man.